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Old 14-06-2013, 04:05 PM   #1
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Blast/Cruise principle vs Regular cycle PCT

Just been doing some reading. And I cant find and answer on this.

So, correct me if im wrong, if your on TRT you blast, then at the end of your cycle you taper down till ur back at TRT test levels, and cruise for however long, no PCT.

Regular cycling you blast then suddenly stop and hit yourself with AI's and SERMs untill ur levels are back to normal. Basically, just not going into too much detail on the HPTA etc.

So leads to my question, if your using HCG, ur testes are not shutdown, so why would you not taper down untill ur at a more natural test level then continue hcg for a couple weeks. Eliminating sudden hormonal changes in ur body and what goes with plus no need for all those SERMs?

Has it got to with restarting the HPTA?

I know everyone has used SERMs forever, and hCG is relatively new when it comes to use during cycling, so wondering has a method like this been tried? Or am I missing something completly.

I know Bill Roberts did a write up on how tapering doesnt work as ur shutdown untill u actually stop, but nothing mentioned with hCG.

Anyone link me or shed some light? I got to be missing something basic here and I just cant think atm
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Old 14-06-2013, 05:31 PM   #2
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we used to taper, after a while realised a hcg blast at the end was better. then we stopped coming off.

now on hrt, dont taper off, just stop, then cruise. after a cruise for a while I may just go back to hrt dose only, but not any time soon.
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Old 14-06-2013, 05:57 PM   #3
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Would love to hear of anyone's experiences of coming off after 1-1.5 years. I am planning of coming off after 6 months but I would LOVE to stay on for another and come off.
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Old 14-06-2013, 06:46 PM   #4
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I'm out of my depth but I'll add to this from what I have read.

- hcg has a high e2 conversion
- hcg will also supress hpta
- sudden drop in test will activate a quick hpta response

hpta recovery cannot begin untill test from hcg has cleared.

Im talking out my ass but hopefully someone corrects me coz its a good question..
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Old 14-06-2013, 06:49 PM   #5
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Originally Posted by Colossal View Post
I'm out of my depth but I'll add to this from what I have read.

- hcg has a high e2 conversion
- hcg will also supress hpta
- sudden drop in test will activate a quick hpta response

hpta recovery cannot begin untill test from hcg has cleared.

Im talking out my ass but hopefully someone corrects me coz its a good question..

This would explain alot.

BUT then would Power PCT/ Blasting HCG at the end of a cycle be a bad thing then?
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Old 14-06-2013, 07:29 PM   #6
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In my un-educated opinion I would say yes its a bad thing. It simply would be better to avoid hpta shut down through hcg use on cycle, however if u have been supressed for extended periods then I would experiment with hcg while cruising to identify my response to LH, which will take a higher dose for instant results. once ur testies are lh responsive then drop the ass....

@clive will have much better advice so wait for experienced input..
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Old 14-06-2013, 07:37 PM   #7
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Originally Posted by maimed View Post
Would love to hear of anyone's experiences of coming off after 1-1.5 years. I am planning of coming off after 6 months but I would LOVE to stay on for another and come off.

I came off after 18 months of blast/cruise, used power pct method, fully recovered after 8 weeks, blood test confirmed.
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Originally Posted by dippa66 View Post
I came off after 18 months of blast/cruise, used power pct method, fully recovered after 8 weeks, blood test confirmed.

That is awesome, how long you been off now for?
any plans of doing it again?
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Old 14-06-2013, 07:55 PM   #9
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Originally Posted by deadlift View Post
That is awesome, how long you been off now for?
any plans of doing it again?

OFF?? LMFAO, was back on by week 12!!
Haven't done a pct for a coupe of years now, but if I feel I need a break, I'll go on Clomid for a month or two.
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Originally Posted by maimed View Post
Would love to hear of anyone's experiences of coming off after 1-1.5 years. I am planning of coming off after 6 months but I would LOVE to stay on for another and come off.

are you 21??
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Old 14-06-2013, 09:18 PM   #11
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Originally Posted by Neva2Big View Post
This would explain alot.

BUT then would Power PCT/ Blasting HCG at the end of a cycle be a bad thing then?

how is it a bad thing? probably not idea, but definitely better option than no hcg. you've still got exogenous test circulating your body, so your shut down anyway. you should be using a serm (clomid) and the ai aromasin which will control estro.

as long as you don't run your hcg into pct you will be fine.

@Colossal your hpta is still shut down even while using hcg on cycle. the use of hcg is to mimic lh and keep your testes sensitised to it so once you start pct your testes respond promptly once your body produces its own lh (and fsh)
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Originally Posted by Colossal View Post
I'm out of my depth but I'll add to this from what I have read.

- hcg has a high e2 conversion
- hcg will also supress hpta
- sudden drop in test will activate a quick hpta response

hpta recovery cannot begin untill test from hcg has cleared.

Im talking out my ass but hopefully someone corrects me coz its a good question..

just to touch on the hpta suppression and HCG topic.

in a sense your right 100% hpta recovery cannot be achieved whilst on HCG, but for the better part HPTA suppression can be recovered whilst on HCG, the main suppressor being the exogenous steroids but with the HCG still circulating you will have adequate fsh/lh circulating to allow mechanisms to recover from aforementioned steroids.

the issue is that your natural production of fsh/lh is not occurring (or not at normal levels) so essentially there is some suppression on your anterior pituitary gland/hypothalamus BUT all other mechanisms can recover during this period, it just means that once the HCG stops there will be a second recovery period for the anterior pituitary/hypothalamus.

even though thats the situation, our body loves homoeostasis its a machine that likes to run in a certain manner, in my opinion it would be a lot easier on your body to restore all functions at once (especially on a endocrine level) as opposed to a staggered 2 step recovery.

hope that made sense lol.
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On spread @scump and @clive.

Thanks, given me a bit to research
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