First anabolic cycle

Discussion in 'Steroids' started by flow, Sep 25, 2017.

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Good choice of anabolics?

Poll closed Nov 13, 2017.
  1. Add dbol

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  2. Add tbol

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  3. Different PCT

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  4. Do another cycle of SARMS

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  1. C**nt

    C**nt Well-Known Member

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    Yeah i question myself all the time. If i knew back then what i know now, things would be different. I keep learning more and more every year, but unfortunately by the time i can put my knowledge to use it is often too late.
     
  2. Mrluke1000

    Mrluke1000 New Member

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    Just look at things this way mate, you can help people with the knowledge you have now.
     
  3. C**nt

    C**nt Well-Known Member

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    That is very true. I still get very annoyed sometimes when i think about some of the stupid decisions in my life i have made, and how easily i could have avoided those problems or dealt with them in a better way.

    Anyway lets hope all goes onwards and upwards!;)
     
  4. blacdk1

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    I would recommend you to try a new cycle of SARMs, because it's much safer than using steroids, man. I advise you to not take any steroids, because I have a lot of friends, who are in trouble right now because of this shit. It's not worth your health, dude. SARMs are not dangerous. The effects is not as great as on steroids, but, at least, you won't have erectile disfunction or any other problems. Click here to read about the best SARMs stacks, take care about your health.
     
  5. RickHarley

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    From the shit I’ve gathered on here, a lot of people choose to do 1mg of Arimidex per 100mg of Test. So 500mg would be 5mg of Arimidex.
     
  6. hashish

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    Use as less as possible. Everyone is different.

    If ur not showing any signs of high e2, then u dont need any.

    Edit: arimidex is usually 1mg tabs..
    and what is usually recommended is to split the tab in half at 0.5mg at twice a week when running 500mg test.
    But as i said, if you can get away with using less or none.. Then thats a better option
     
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  7. Nowicare

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    I read some but not all of the responses.

    First, clen won't help you keep water weight off if that water weight is coming from aromatized testosterone. Eating clean can help keep the retention in check but ultimately any and EVERY kind of injectable Testosterone will make you retain some water. They do tend to vary with shorter esters but anyone who says that prop won't make you retain any water is just not as informed as they could be. And when it comes to sust vs Enanthate's water retention, there will be no noticable difference for the vast majority of us. Don't get me wrong you could be one of the few that would possibly see a difference but that difference doesn't mean less water, it could mean more water because sust does have that extra long test decanoate/undecanoate ester in it.

    Sust looks great on paper. In reality it was made for trt or hrt. If you are to inject a small dose of sust EOD then you could (as in it's possible but not guaranteed) off your cycle's "sweet spot" a little bit sooner vs just test enanthate cycle. But if you don't inject EOD, then you are not fully taking advantage of the test prop in the sust. The other thing to think about is PCT timing in a sust vs enanthate cycle. With sust you have testosterone decanoate or undecanoate (I forget which one) but it has a very long half life. Almost a full two week half life vs test enanthate being around a week. Even though you have a mix of tests in sust, your PCT timing is dictated buy that extra long decanoate or undecanoate ester. Basically from your last shot you have to wait three weeks and even then that's kind of quick when looking at the esters half life. With enanthate only you could take two equal shots per week so your last week you inject around Wednesday on week 12. Then you wait week 13 and 14 taking no injectable estered hormones and on the start of week 15 you start your PCT.

    For UGL gear and I am speaking from the stand point of being in the US but I presume it's similar there being most gear is not made by a real actual big pharma company like Watson or phizer. So when looking at it from the stand point of sust vs enanthate UGL gear, it is a hell of a lot easier to make legit enanthate gear vs sust. You will have less PIP with the enanthate vs sust also.

    Now if we are talking ACTUAL human grade from an actual legit producer (not "human" grade made in Thialand") then sust will still have more chances for PIP vs enanthate.

    If we are talking human grade sust vs UGL grade enanthate then and only then would I say go sust.

    Keep in mind all of my opinions are from being in the game here in the USA. I do have years of experience with gear and I have a couple of years experience with Homebrew or making/processing my own gear.

    Just to say it very clearly one last time but in different words. Testosterone enanthate could be made by a genetically enhanced chimpanzee and turn out to be a legit quality vial of hormones. Every other version of test from cypionate, propionate, Acetate, phenylpropionate to sustanon are all requiring a different level of skill to properly brew vs enanthate. You could probably not even heat a batch of test enanthate and end up with a vial that doesn't cause PIP but none of the others will ever be guaranteed to have no PIP even if made by big pharma. So think about that when deciding sust vs enanthate.

    At 500mgs of either sust or enanthate per week will actually probably not require an Aromatase Inhibitor like arimidex. Most guys can handle it without having any issues. Just make sure to take two equal shots per week to keep levels as steady as possible (if it sust you should be doing EOD shots). As stated you are going to retain some water no matter what, it's just a question of how much begins to mean you need to do something. A lot of guys starting out over use an AI like arimidex and end up getting their estrogen too low. Remember we need some to function and we need some to gain anything at all. So if you get it too low, you will not gain.
    My advice from years of watching new guys is this. Start your cycle and just self monitor. That means go look up and read and then re read the signs of high estrogen in men and low estrogen in men. If you start to see excessive water retention (I notice the bp spike when it crosses the line to excessive) or any other signs like low libido then start to use the arimidex. I would start with just 0.25 mgs on your injection days. Arimidex has roughly a three day half life and if you know how your hormone levels go after a enanthate shot then the arimidex half life compliments the hormone levels increase over the three days after the shot. Another thing to be conscious of is new guys want instant fixes and end up increasing their arimidex dose too quickly. Once you take a single dose then it takes a day or two to start to lower the estrogen level (it attaches to the enzyme that turns test into estrogen so it does nothing for the estrogen already in your system, it stops more form happening) then it take another day or two for those lower levels to take effect in your body and finally it takes another day or two for the signs that you see to start to go away. So if you need to start taking arimidex I say 0.25 mgs on injection day or twice per week. Stay at that dosage schedule for two weeks then reassess to see if you need to increase it to 0.5mgs on injection days.
    Remember I suggested reading up on signs of high estrogen and low estrogen in men? You need to know both in order to know if you need arimidex and you need to know if you took too much arimidex and lowered your estrogen too low.

    To put things in perspective after I said read and re read about signs of high and low estrogen in men. I have years of cycle experience and I STILL re read the signs of high and low estrogen just to keep that shot fresh in my mind. I actually use to retain water early in my cycle history, it was from higher estrogen but as I progresses my body seemed to adapt and now even with real high estrogen I don't bloat like I use to. It doesn't mean my body is handling the extra estrogen it just means for whatever reason I am not retaining the extra water. So I have to look for other signs to self monitor.

    Now if trying to find your proper arimidex dose seems like it might distract you on cycle then there is always SERM use. A Selective Estrogen Receptor Modulator or SERM simply attached to certain tissue that is sensitive to estrogen. The tissue we worry about is the male breath tissue, we don't want gyno. Really at 500mgs per week if you have any issues it will probably be some water retention and sense your breast tissue is going to be more sensitive to estrogen vs an old gear heads tissue, then using Nolvadex instead of arimidex is always an option. It won't lower the estrogen but it will block the estrogen from making you grow tits. Remember we need some estrogen to gain any muscle so using Nolvadex to safe guard against gyno and then just not worrying about the level (as long as your dick still works) is a perfectly legit alternative to trying to figure out you AI dose on your first cycle.
    You should think about it as an option because keeping things simple is usually the path that gets the best end result.

    As far you using anything beyond test for your first cycle, just don't. There is no need. First I promise you that the results from just 500mgs a week of test only will absolutely blow your mind! Second if you do end up having issues but you are using multiple compounds, you won't know which compound is causing the issue. A very good rule to abide by is, only one new compound per cycle. Just keep it simple the first few cycles until you know what to expect so that of it is different down the road you know it's from the new compound.

    Save the clen for about 2 months after you stop the cycle and recover. You can use it to burn some extra fat during that time you have to wait before your next cycle. I promise you that you will be planning your next cycle about 4-6 weeks into this one. A good rule is if properly done, you can run and recover from two cycles per year. (Not 14-15 week cycles)

    Now when you do decide to add in an oral compound, I vote tbol over dbol any day of the week. The weight you get on tbol is just quality, on dbol it's a lot of water. Go read up on turinabol and how the east Germans used it in their Olympic program.
    Also using an oral kick start just seems like a waist to me. For myself I know once I inject I am in full gear, I am putting in extra sets with extra weight. I have no problem getting going at the beginning of the cycle. So I save the oral for the end of the cycle when the gains from the injectables slow down, when I am feeling worn out form the extra effort over the 10-14 weeks. I add that oral in and BAM in my head I think "I have more hormones in me so I can do more" then I actually do do more. I use them to finish strong.

    I feel like there was something else I wanted to put in here but I can't remember. If you can't tell I am passionate about my gym and gear experience. In no part of any of this did I intend to talk down or assume you didn't know something, I know sometimes it can comes across like that but I promise that was never my intention. I just wanted to share some the of things I wish some one had shared with me before I had to figure it out on my own.
    Also keep in mind I am not a doctor. You have to live with the consiquenses of your choices, I don't. So go and verify anything and everything you can. Never stop reading about this stuff. You will in pretty short order get a steroid BS detector. You will be able to tell a source of info is just not intelligent from reading just a paragraph or two. Even then keep learning.
     
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  8. RickHarley

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    Thanks.
     
  9. blindbodybuilder

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    It's probably irrelevant as this is an old post but I sincerely hope nobody takes this advice, or maybe it's a joke.

    5mg of anostrozole, now that would be a super fast way to destroy yourself.

    Also I don't know how you would have gathered that from reading posts on this board, I've never seen anyone post something that stupid.
     
  10. hashish

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