First Cycle Information

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  1. DrSwole

    DrSwole Celebrity Amongst Us

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    Fuck it im doing it, trying to make a sticky on the usual "First Cycle" questions that get asked. I probably wont cover everything, my first cycle was a while ago lol, so I want anyone who has knowledge or a different opinion to add additions to it, WITHOUT FLAMING ME!!!
    [MENTION=1309]Eagle[/MENTION] let me know what you think, there are still too many people making first cycle threads. if this gets stickied, once its modified, can we delete all posts and this first bit of chat? lol anyway lets get to it!

    The first thing you want to make sure with any cycle is that your goal is clear, are you cutting or bulking? None of this "I want to gain muscle, but want to lose fat as well" either cut or bulk.

    DIET is probably the most important part of any cycle. You need to have your diet sorted, that can be done in the nutrition section of the forums, and will tie in with the goal you sorted above. Almost all steroids can be used to bulk or cut, it comes down to diet on whether or not you gain weight or not.

    TRAINING needs to be intense to the point you walk out of the gym wishing you never went in the first place. For a first cycle i recommend having trained naturally for at least 2+ years with a solid diet and good focus. This way you have built up close to genetic potential, and will utilise the steroids much better. Its also so you have a good knowledge of what works for you to maximise gains.

    AGE is important (Im going to be a hypocrite here, because I started younger than mid 20's BUT i had a goal to compete IFBB one day.)
    You dont want to be too young when you first start taking steroids. We cant stop anyone but in my opinion, any younger than 20 is just stupid. Realistically you shouldnt touch the stuff until you are mid 20's.

    Quick summary of the above MOST IMPORTANT parts of any cycle:

    • Mid 20's is youngest age to start a cycle
    • Diet has to be perfect!!!
    • Minimum 2 years proper training before contemplating a cycle

    QUESTIONS (Based off of 12 week cycle)

    Should I do anything before my cycle?
    Yes, you should get blood work done, so once you come off steroids, you can compare levels and check that your current levels have returned to normal.

    What should I take?
    Take around 300-500mg of a test based steroid ONLY. you can choose the ester you want. Either test enanthate, test cypionate, test propionate, or even sustanon.
    I recommend taking 500mg of test enanthate or cypionate at 250mg twice a week. easier to monitor, good gaining steroids and little to no cork (compared to sustanon and propionate).

    How long should I run the cycle for?
    Maximum length for a first cycle should be 10-12 weeks thats it. No modifications.

    Should I add an oral like dbol?
    No, keep it simple, you want to see how the steroid reacts with your body. If you have two types in you, and end up getting bad side effects, it will be harder to determine whats causing the sides and how to fix it.

    Should I run adex throughout the cycle?
    Personally I say not to but to have it on hand just incase there are issues such as gyno. The first cycle you want to see the side effects you may get. Some people wont get estro sides on test only, some will, so if you start to notice estro sides you have adex on hand anyway! dont start complicating things with blockers etc. keep it all simple

    Should I run HCG throughout the cycle?
    Again I personally think on a test only cycle HCG is a bit overkill. BUT if you really want to make sure you are ok, by all means run it.
    BEST way to run it is 250iu 2x a week and you should be fine, run it every week up until PCT (even into your first week or so)
    If you cant run it every week, you can try to blast the hcg at the end of the cycle. There are too many different blast methods to note, most effective being PoWeR PCT which i believe our one and only [MENTION=521]Gruffy[/MENTION] has run.

    What PCT should I do?
    It is a simple test only cycle, so a huge elaborate PCT isnt really needed. Keep it to the usual PCT.
    4weeks in length, run clomid and either nolva or aromasin
    wk1-2: Clomid 100mg, Nolva 40mg (or Aromasin 25mg)
    wk3-4: Clomid 50mg, Nolva 20mg (or Aromasin 12.5mg)

    How much time should I take off after cycle?
    Time off should be cycle length + PCT. For example If you run a 12 week cycle with 4 weeks PCT most would say to take at least 16 weeks off to "recover"

    What should I do if I get signs of gyno?
    Now this is why we dont start our first cycles with stacking! Gyno can either be caused by high Estrogen or High Progesterone. Now because you are only on test, your gyno will be caused by high Estrogen. Best thing to do is to add adex to the mix. 0.25mg daily. Something to note, there is no real fix for gyno apart from surgery, best thing to do is to get on anti-estrogens such as nolva and adex to stop anything getting worse.

    BUT my mate at gym told me...
    I DONT GIVE A FUCK WHAT YOUR BROSCIENCE MATE SAID! This information is the best, safest way to do your first cycle. Take it or leave it, and dont say we didnt try to help you!!

    This is all I could think of for now. if a couple of the big rigs or more experienced steroid users could input in comments it would be appreciated. I can edit this post and add any additional information I may have forgotten to add.

    Cheers guys, hope this helps...
     
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  2. VanMan

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    good post, and agree in part with hcg, but if not running it during, you should do a blast at the end. imo.

    for simplicty stick to 12 weeks cycle and 12weeks explanation in the how much time to take off. this can be read ambiguously and could be confuse the little tykes.

    should add in what to do if get gyno.

    out of reps again ffs
     
  3. Colossal

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    Not another first cycle thread!!!
     
  4. DrSwole

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    this is HOPEFULLY the last one there ever has to be hahahaha
     
  5. VanMan

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    Good work i like it a lot

    But i got a mate at the gym told me........lol
     
  6. DrSwole

    DrSwole Celebrity Amongst Us

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    i will have to add a section on gym broscience, as above "but my mate told me" lol
     
  7. VanMan

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    But hes big so has to be true

    Actually maybe you could add something like or enhance your opener about why a first cycle is to see how you react

    Dont believe everything you hear on the gym floor its about finding what works for you everyone is different their are generalisations yes but what xyz does for mate a wont be the same for you. The biggest lesson is learn your body and listen to what it says to you this goes for training, diet and aas.
     
  8. Gruph

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    Maybe a good idea to get bloods done before starting first cycle aswell so you can see if your pct has been successfull.

    Just a thought :)
     
  9. VanMan

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    Fuk yeah how could we forget this. There is a sticky on bloods though but needs a mention before half way and 4 weeks after pct imo

    Good catch gruph monster
     
  10. Colossal

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    Maybe throw in some homework/research tips such as:

    - HPTA shut down
    - HPTA recovery
    - Aromatose conversion

    key words for a newb as a starting base...
     
  11. mrinflatable

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    Can you run nolva, clom and aromasin pct?

    Eg, nolva 40/40/20/20 and clom 50/50/25/25 or 100/100/50/50 and 12.5 aromasin end from start to end of pct.
     
  12. Teste-cules

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    Wtf....... I didn't take this as a questionnaire??
     
  13. Colossal

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    A first cycle should look like this:

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  14. hashish

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    but i want to run test e, sus, deca, tren, mast, primo, npp, gh, slin, ghrp, modgrf, dbs as my 1st cycle....
    and have @clive to guide me.
     
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    sounds a little light [MENTION=243]Hashish[/MENTION]
    you gay or something m8
     
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  16. hashish

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    just gonna blast this from the start, and what ever i can get my hands on ill add in asap!
     
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  17. eamonevomurf

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    Great write up. Just what I needed as I plan on running my first cycle starting oct 1st.
    I'm in two minds over hcg. Is there a possibality of sides from hcg and then not knowing if its from the hcg or the test. Would I start it week 1 or wait until week 3-4 when the test starts to kick in.
    Cheers for any response.
     
  18. wuzza21

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    Sides from hcg....

    * Big nuts whilst on cycle


    That is all............
     
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  20. eamonevomurf

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    Hey mate. I clicked onto the link and it just brings
    Up all episodes. Is there a particular one.
    Cheers
     

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