First Cycle Information

Discussion in 'Steroids' started by DrSwole, Aug 8, 2013.

  1. CoastGymRat

    CoastGymRat New Member

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    what kind of strengh increase can someone expect on a simple 500mg week test e run?
     
  2. deadlift

    deadlift Well-Known Member

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    Id say this is person dependant
    some people gains strength more easily then others etc etc
     
  3. CoastGymRat

    CoastGymRat New Member

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    I currently weigh 86kg and can comfortably bench 4x8 sets @110kgs. Just wondering what i should realisticaly be aiming for in bench strength increase by the end of normal test e cycle? Definitely agree everyone is different and what works for one wont for others but is a 20kg increase within grasp or asking to much?
     
  4. DrSwole

    DrSwole Celebrity Amongst Us

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    you cant determine this. just like you cant determine how much lean mass you will put on, or how much weight total you will put on. you gotta test it yourself. dont aim for a set number, just keep pushing yourself.

    just as an example... at one stage i was 75kg lifting 200kg squat, 220kg dead, 180kg bench.... now im 90kg on a bit higher doses now and i cant do those weights, havent even tried to be honest... but i stopped training for strength and size, started training smarter for size only.
     
  5. Teste-cules

    Teste-cules Cast the biggest shadow

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    Thank fuck you said it!
    Why is everything about numbers with these guys. So over it!
     
  6. DrSwole

    DrSwole Celebrity Amongst Us

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    People are dumb and greedy :p
     
  7. CoastGymRat

    CoastGymRat New Member

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    Chill out test man. I find i get the most out of training when i set goals, either weight/reps/ or size. Atm i am focusing on strenght so my bench numbers are a good indicator of my progress. Thanks for the encouragement swole, i train by myself and am relitively new comoared to most people on here so i like to see if im heading in the right direction every now and then.
     
  8. Teste-cules

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    I'm chilled bro that's just how I talk hahaha.

    I'm just really sick of number lifters! ( not directed at you mate) that just talk about what you bench, what you weigh, what mg you banging, what mg can you bang, 100 this 200 that and all this shit.
    Kids running around in the gyms giving me frowns and shit cause they standing there curling 60kg on an ez. And there I am twice the size twice as cut curling 10kg........

    Are we bodybuilding or powerlifting here??

    If that answer is powerlifting then please disregard all I said
     
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    VanMan Secret Squirrel

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    but but but...I was doing 800, 30, 900, 25 and 86...............suck my numbers :icecream:
     
  10. bigkev

    bigkev Well-Known Member AGJ Supporter

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    Giddy up boys hahahahah. I agree dont need to lift heavy to get big. Lift heavy gives big egos though!
     
  11. CoastGymRat

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    So what is better then to get big and strong? So many different opinions around here. I thought keep eating and pushing heavier weight was the key to becoming big or is it more reps at a less weight the key.
     
  12. VanMan

    VanMan Secret Squirrel

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    run the game you want to mate. :)

    me I am in for big and strong but after a while when you age your joints need a rest so you have train smarter. oh to know what I know when I was 20 and not have an ego. ffs
     
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  14. JonSnow

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    Hey guys,

    Just got my gear today. I had a choice between UGL test e 200mg, or pharma sus 250mg, so I took the sus. I also got clomid and novladex for PCT. I got 3 vials.

    I've been trying to get hCG and arimidex, but I can't find any of those items. Still trying.

    So far I have planned
    weeks 1-12 625mg sus, pinned 2 x week
    wait 3 weeks
    pct
    wk1-2: Clomid 100mg, Nolva 40mg (or Aromasin 25mg)
    wk3-4: Clomid 50mg, Nolva 20mg (or Aromasin 12.5mg)

    My question is since I can't get an AI, is novladex good enough to have on hand in case of gyno/etc? And if so, what is the standard protocol is i notice them?

    Also what needles do you guys recommend for sus? Going to pick some up tomorrow.
     
  15. VanMan

    VanMan Secret Squirrel

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    should start your own thread mate as you will no doubt have a number of other questions and trigger some debate on your own cycle not first cycle in general questions.

    but choose aromasin over nolva. I prefer 23 or 25g takes a little longer but less scar tissue in the long run. [MENTION=96]DoYouEvenSquat[/MENTION] maybe you could move this for this young newcomer to his own thread, when your not buys getting your d sucked of course :)
     
  16. T-Rex

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    Horse needles
     
  17. JonSnow

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    Is there any big difference between 23 and 25? I've read that 25 is a bit slow, but if you heat it up a little it will go in nicely. I plan on pinning glutes and quads, is a 1" needle fine?

    I'm going to the needle exchange today, so i'll need to write a list.
     
  18. bigkev

    bigkev Well-Known Member AGJ Supporter

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    Just use a hungry jacks straw...

    23 1.5" for glutes
     
  19. VanMan

    VanMan Secret Squirrel

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    and here come the questions.

    yes there is a difference, no need to heat it up just take your time. instead of 30 seconds it might take 45 to 60. get some of each as they will be free at the needle exchange. see which you like.
     
  20. JonSnow

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    Will do. Will the syringe come separate to the needle head? If I am injecting 1.25 ml~, what size barrel is best? I'm assuming a 3ml barrel is enough? (3cc?)
     

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