Hair Loss & Steroids

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  1. SighK

    SighK Administrator Staff Member

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    Thought I would make a separate thread dedicated to this topic after seeing @littlemondri's post asking for DHT blockers. I think it will be a common concern for people thinking about jumping on the the Apple Juice. Although I do not suffer hair loss I did quite a bit of research on the topic just IN CASE for future knowledge should I ever choose to go down this path.

    Those who are genetically predisposed to MPB (Male Pattern Baldness) who are thinking about doing a cycle should read this to get an idea of the available options to help prevent accelerating their hair loss while on a cycle, I suggest further research into each of these options though as this is a rough outline.

    Nizoral 2%

    This should replace your exsisting shampoo while on a cycle, its used to eliminate dandruff and scalp inflammation and research has shown that Ketoconazole can prevent DHT in the scalp if used ED. I personally use this shampoo even now, it's got great hair benefits. I'd be using this ED on Cycle and EOD off cycle.

    You can purchase Nizoral 2% over the counter at most Chemists for around $18 for a 100ml bottle which generally lasts 1 -2 months.

    Saw Palmetto

    An herbal remedy for BPH Prostate Hypertrophy, but does show some anti-DHT properties and best dosed at 960mg ED year round.

    It can be purchased online or at your local pharmacist.

    Spirolactone 5%

    Topical based anti-DHT product that is highly regarded as the best. When used alone apply at night before bed. When used with Minoxidil use Spiro at night, and Minoxidil after shower in the morning.

    Minoxidil 5%

    Topical based anti-DHT product that is now sold OTC at most drug stores and supermarkets. This product does not grow hair, however will help prevent extra hair losses. Best used before bed if only topical used, or twice per day morning and before bed on dry hair.

    Finasteride

    The absolute best oral anti-androgen used to prevent and reverse hairloss. There are pills or liquid at 1mg and 5mg (Proscar), 1mg is sufficient on cycle when using high androgenic steroids, and 1mg EOD during off cycles is sufficient if even needed. This is mainly used during cycles, as topicals such as, Nizoral and Saw Palmetto should be enough during off cycles. Let me make this clear, yo do NOT need to use more than 1mg of Fin - you can even use 0.25mg and you'll have the same result as taking 5mg.

    A combination of the above could provide the best punch for keeping the hair you have, and possibly even growing some at the same time. Or if you're like me, it will give you peace of mind.

    What is the most Hair Safe Steroid I can use?

    Deca Durabolin


    The safety of this steroid, as far as hairloss is concerned, stems from the fact that 5-alpha-reductase enzyme, instead of converting it to a stronger androgen like DHT, converts it to a very mild androgen called DHN. Taken in dosages of up to 300-400 mg weekly it shouldn't produce any hairloss problems, this is due to the fact that, being a highly HPTA supressive androgen, 300-400 mg are no more androgenic than our endogenous testosterone (supressed while we are taking it) would be.

    One BIG word of caution: While you are taken Deca Durabolin never ever take 5AR blockers such as Proscar/Propecia, for it would block the conversion of nandrolone to DHN in tissues such as the scalp and the prostate, resulting in hairloss and BPH, which is what we are trying to avoid taking Deca.

    The Good and the BAD

    Testosterone cypionate, propionate, etc., androderm, sustanon 250
    - All of these are different testosterone preparations, they all have the same properties as far as hairloss is concerned: they convert to DHT via 5-alpha-reductase enzyme. That's the main reason why testosterone is so androgenic. However, if one takes testosterone along with a 5AR blocker such as Proscar it's not nearly that harmful for your hair. So, if you are concerned about hairloss and are taking testosterone, always use it along with Proscar. Take into account that DHT is an anti-estrogen and blocking it while your body has supraphysiological levels of testosterone might lead to gynecomastia, so it's advisable to combine Proscar with Arimidex (an aromatase inhibitor).

    Anadrol\50 - If you value your hair, don't touch this one with a ten foot pole. Nothing seems to control its negative effects on hair. Not Proscar, Not Nizoral, nothing...

    Dianabol -Same as Anadrol\50.

    Primobolan - One of the less androgenic steroids. If you are concerned about hairloss this steroid is for you. It's much more anabolic than it is androgenic.

    Oxandrolone (Anavar) - It's the safest steroid for your hair along with Primobolan and Deca.

    Boldenone (Equipoise) - After the Primo, Anavar and Deca this is probably one of the safest for your hair. Although it undergoes 5-alpha-reduction, its affinity for this enzyme is minimal, so there is very little conversion. Moreover, its 5-alpha-reduced form is not as androgenic as DHT.

    DHEA - Does not negatively affect hair in men. May help prevent hair loss by offsetting the binding of DHT to follicles. The product is a Disaster for women with hair loss. DHEA causes hair loss in women much like DHT in Men. DHEA discriminates against women.

    Androstenedione - The worst of all prohormones in the market. It has a low conversion to testosterone, around 5%, which is damn too low. Worse yet is the fact that, before converting to testosterone, androstenedione directly interacts with aromatase and 5AR, thus converting to estrogen and DHT prior to conversion to target hormone.. You will be far better of using testosterone than this.

    1-testosterone - It's very androgenic and very anabolic. Although it's a 5-alpha-reduced steroid it converts to DHT through an unknown pathway, so using Proscar along with it won't avoid DHT conversion. Its anabolic/androgenic ratio (~(1.5-2):1) is slightly higher than that of test (1:1). Be wary while using this product if you value your hair.
     
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  2. snowy

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    That is somewhat at odds with my understanding of finasteride. I actually have it not due to a cycle (too noob to use), but due to familial male pattern baldness through my mums father, and naturally thin hair.

    I have proscar. Got a prescription from the dermatologist for the 5mg tablets. Upon explanation from the dermatologist, from what i remember it can be used only to prevent hairloss, not actually reverse it. Once a hair follicle is gone it cannot be regrown. Another thing is the 5mg tablets are to be taken once a week, while the 1mg tablets should be taken daily. Some of my mates have the 1mg with a prescription to be taken daily, while mine is once a week. Another thing to note is it should be taken at the same time every week, such as sunday morning when you wake up.

    Also Major warning when using finasteride. DO NOT GET A GIRL PREGNANT. It drastically increases the chances of birth defects. Also has side effects including decreased ejaculatory fuild, decreased sperm count, and impotence, but these are in only about 1% of men using it i think? Regardless, if you experience this, you can just stop the drug and you will become "fully functioning" so to speak.

    Another final benefit is that as you are older, it has been used to prevent or sometimes treat prostate cancer. As such my uncle, who is a gastroenterologist is currently using it.

    On a side note, if you obtain finasteride 5mg, it tends to come in packages containing 30 tablets, which lasts for just over half a year and costs about $60 for the cheaper "no name" brand you get at chemists. Off the top of my head, the named brand proscar was much more expensive. Closer to $100


    Extra reading if you want it :D:

    http://www.drugs.com/pro/finasteride.html (for prostate effects)
     
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    That's right when a hair follicle is dead it's dead and Fin will only prevent further loss of follicles however people do notice a lot of regrowth because the follicles that were only growing very, very thin hairs (about to die) are suddenly able to recover due to the drastically reduce DHT in the scalp hence why people see regrowth and hair where hair wasn't before.

    Finasteride has a relatively flat dose-response curve so you'll get the same benefits/side effects regardless of the dose you take after a short period of time.
     
  4. snowy

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    ah cool beans!
     
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    I would actually highly recommend Nizoral 1% in your situation regardless if you're doing a cycle or not that stuff is great - look into it. If you have no issues with the 1% bump up to 2%.
     
  6. snowy

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    i havent noticed any hair loss at all on finasteride, but it can't hurt!
     
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    lol thanks man...

    i havent started losing my hair. but my dad is bald. and my mums brother has started losing hair lol (he is 50ish though).

    im just being paranoid.

    but that info is really good!

    where can you buy fina?
     
  8. snowy

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    if you go and get a prescription for it, any chemist dude... otherwise no idea
     
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    Ask your Doctor to prescribe you Proscar which is exactly the same as what he will try to give you Propecia just that Procar comes in 5mg form and you can cut one pill into 5 making 5 days of dosing out of one pill.
     
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    Going to go get me some if I decide to run phs.

    Cookie baron you keep impressing me!

    Holla!
     
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    Added some 'hair friendly' steroid options to consider in the first post.
     
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    what is everyone's opinion on the long-term sides of finasteride? been a lot of talk lately about serious damage to sex drive caused by proscar/propecia..

    reason i ask is my hair is starting to thin - but there is no way in hell im going to chemically castrate myself with finasteride.

    i'm guessing topical lotions alone aren't going to cut it on cycle if im prone to MPB right?
     
  13. snowy

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    um... there is a chance you will experience impotence, decreased spell count, decreased ejaulatory volume..... But that all stops as soon as you stop the drug, so if you experience any of the symptoms they just tell you when you start to stop taking it.

    I haven't gotten the impotence, but havent measured sperm count nor ejaculatory volume....Suppose i would have to go to a lab to get it tested... Best person to go see about it, is a dermatologist... They will give you more info than the GP can, and should be more experienced with the drug.

    I haven't noticed any decrease in sex drive. I have been on proscar for about 2 years now, so i'm jsut happy i am keeping my full head of hair!
     
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    Um hair 2day gone 2morrow !!!! Let your scalp shine .
     
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    bro.. if i could pull off a shaved head - i woulda shaved it all off, and hopped on test a looong time ago :(
     
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    You can try Fin it won't cause any Perm damage.

    There are sides but very very small minority experience side effects on Fin the only way to know is to try it, again as soon as you stop the sides will subside (if any).
     
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    http://www.propeciahelp.com/

    reading through there is making me shit bricks!
     
  18. snowy

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    LOL. i love studies. I Spent 1/2 of my degree doing statistical studies. They actually are all found to be flawed. Its so unlikely to get a positive complete study that actually represents what you are looking for, that i have almost stopped taking them into consideration...

    regardless, go talk to a dermatologist, and they will ease your fears!
     
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    im with you 100% re: studies... however, the forums on propeciahelp.com are full of anecdotal evidence from regular guys who have essentially been chemically castrated thanks to 5aar blockers.
     
  20. snowy

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    yeah...

    i cant offer any advice other than going to the doctor wont harm you in the sense of finding out more about it. I havent gotten any side effects so i am happy :)
     

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