Please dont quote this post (as i will revise it). Ok so this will probably be a lengthy post, didnt have the time to post it before. I will try to make it as concise as possible without getting into the complex mechanisms of action behind certain things. Please do respect the time/effort taken to create this thread. Alot of you know as been very logical in how i approach things (i enjoy dumbing down alot of complex concepts). 'Logic' is sometimes flawed in bodybuilding especially with the 'lift big to get big' (etc type of bullshit). So the only way to seive truth out of rubbish is through calculated experiments (trial/error) and recording findings and comparing them relative to seemingly logical information out there. HGH: Pretty much a miracle peptide, it will literally make you feel 16 again. I cannot give enough credit to this amazing peptide. To illustrate the non muscle-mediated effects (personnel; im very fine tuned with my body): The morning boners, extreme high levels of libido and lower-refractory period (the time period where you 'ejaculate' and get 'up' again), the amazing skin texture (women wont be able to resist), the nail growth, the hair growth, the deep 'REM' sleeps, higher level of IQ and intelligence,the re-uptake of GABA receptors (especially in my case since i fried mine due to EQ and abuse of androgens); hence general 'mental well being and less anxiety and clearer mindset. Also better blood work (cholesterol values and the likes). Aswell as making other drugs feel more (ie taking biotin a hair growth supplement + HGH and youll have greater 'rates' of growth then without it). That is gh is synergetic with many many compounds (T3/fat burners and ofcourse AAS which is discussed below). Will also develop facial beauty (cosmetic side-effects): more pronouced jaw line (square head), higher cheek bones, muscles around eye socket thicken up, more andorgenic siddeffects in general. You pretty much start looking very 'masculine'. Massester muscles and the temporalis being prime examples: Other facial muscles (not mentioned above that will develop): HGH for mass (ie bodybuilding): Now in regards to muscle growth, hgh has various pathways in which is acts as an anabolic peptide (anabolic means build up of complex structure from smaller more simple structures in science; fat build up from fatty acid is also anabolic). So be careful how you use the word anabolic. Now in regards to 'positive' anabolic growth (muscle), HGH is primarily mediated by IGF, but has other effects, it has its own fat burining properties (hence the synthesis of peptide frag 171-196), it induces lipolysis (fatty acids stored within fat cells are broken down released in blood). It has positive effects on hypertrophy. It also makes alot of gear feel 'more', for example if your on 500mg of test-e it will feel like 1000mg (insulin wont do this; ive tried both). If your not on HGH; cap your dose at 1,5gram (2grams TOPS; orals included). Im telling you ive taken 3600mg of eq (perm fried my gaba receptors and now have anxiety-attacks very easily) and 2100mg of tren, smashed grams and grams of test. All these will do 1 thing; lethargy and you regress backwards. If you think the pros in the 70s didnt abuse your delusional; they all did, but they learn to read their body and found out at 2g+ without HGH alot of sides:gains ratio drops. In summary it will add muscle slowly (on it's own; study posted below a rare and interesting one), but that's not what the main use is. GH makes you look like you have a lot more muscle than you do. Remember it's an amazing compound in terms of decreasing bodyfat while increasing fullness (thus roundness). So when you're sub 8% bodyfat and your muscles are full, 190lbs looks like 220, and you look impressive. If you are confused by fullness (ie roundness), think your first cycle of dbol (but at a much lower weight). Basically means alot of nutrients (glycogen, positive nitrogen retention, intramuscular water, intramuscular fat all in one spot: your muscles, ie plumped up baloon that gh15 always talks about hence phil-insulana). lol. Doses (gh15 describes it very well): Now your maybe thinking, time for me to sell my car and use 15iu+ of gh. Wrong, if your not using insulin (esp at the 10-15iu mark), it will be a huge waste. Ive used 20iu+, 40iu a day for 2 weeks. Your liver will begin to swell up, youll be sleeping all day, cannot go to the gym. Blood glucose levels will be out of whack (gh increase BGL, insulin drops it; hence why they work together; more on that later). If your planning on keeping clean classic physique with 'dense' muscles (not inflated insulin muscle), use gh only around 5-10IU mark. A nice quote by gh15 (and a friend of mine once mentioned something very similar he said this about HGH "once you start that shit your never coming off, because you never stop growing on that stuff") HGH gut (myth) and visceral fat: Visceral fat: its what alot of people refer to as 'THE GH GUT', visceral fat is a description for fat inbetween internal organs (esp where IGF receptors are highly concentrated near the abdominal area). You look 'flat' from front view, but when you sit down to eat and look at your self in a side-view you look like you swallowed a 60inch tv screen (ie protuding gut). In summary of the above quote; gh makes your stomach look beautful and the chances of the dreaded 'turtle hgh gut' is all a myth. Again hgh increases fullness so with a lean 6 pack, youll look 'good'. If you want to destroy this 'aesthetic' feature, up your food (huge amount of food also cause a gut; due to clogging up of insides and hence 'beer' belly, ie super relax and protuded 'deep' muscles) and up your slin. So combining food + slin, disaster from both worlds.