Around four weeks ago i started injecting 250mg of test e a week(trt) split between two shots, rotating between quads and right glute. The first 3 or so shots were fine, but the shots since then in my quads have been giving me trouble. When i insert the needle(1.25, 23g) im getting pretty bad muscle twitches like im about to hit a nerve, lady at the needle exchange said that hitting a nerve directly can be some of the most painful shit one can experience, any truth to this? Normally im 100% comfortable giving myself injections, but this scares me.... Next, my last 4 quad shots have leaked blood and oil every shot , i insert the needle as deep as possible, inject very slowly, and even left the needle in for a full minute last shot, it didn't help and the shot before that in the opposite guad felt like it leaked right out into the subq tissues because the pip was right under the skin and not deep in the muscle. If anyone has any advice its highly appreciated.
First of all 250 migs a week of test isn't trt. That's a small cycle. Second, you can use a 25 gauge pin instead of a 23. Third, I find quads the easiest muscle to shoot, that's all I use. Fucks me how people reach back and pin their glutes, I almost pass out from trying to reach around. ( no homo). And delts you have to use one hand, and feels awkward. I know palumbo says never shoot quads, but I have never had a problem. Upper outer quadrant, easy peazy. Sometimes you get a bit of a cork. But it's all subjective. I've never hit a nerve, plus I have jammed those whale harpoon 19 gauges in my quads, you should be fine.
Review pinning procedure and injection site/angle. Dont be scared to try other spots as well, everyone is different.
The lady at the needle exchange while well meaning may not have any medical training of any sort and just saying what she assumed to be the case. Even if she is a Nurse it doesn't mean she knows directly what she is saying. .Hitting a nerve while unpleasant , wont be the worst thing ever expeirenced by man. Twitching is a giveaway of this. Oil and blood leaks are normal . The oil leak is only small but can look like more than it is. Just the muscle expelling a little. 95% will be inside.
random fact a bigger gauge(21) needle is actually safer for IM injections than a smaller gauge(25) due to the internal pressure exerted (particularly in relation to nerve damage). Hence why for IM injections we recommend bigger gauges (23-21g) for IM injections Haha and what are your qualifications Dr. Google? @OP hitting a nerve is very painful, its a nerve based pain so a lot different to other pains, often described as sharp stabbing and likened to lightning through its excitability. If you did inject into a nerve as well its usually accompanied by some parasthesia (pins and needles, numbness etc.) and you can also do actual damage to the nerve. Muscle twitching does not mean you hit a nerve. If bleeding and leakage is a big concern for you, you could give "z tracking" a shot and see how it works for you, give it a google it's a pretty straight forward technique.
I'd still rather jab myself with a 25 gauge than looking at a 21 and sticking myself. Even if it's a visual, and anyone who used those deca pre loaded 19 gauge harpoon knows they are scary.
Haha and what are your qualifications Dr. Google? Paramedic and Pathology collector since 1998. Now a medical company owner since 2006 with 14 RN's and a dr under my employ. Not to be a smartass but since you asked thought to mention. Not saying its a good thing or pleasant thing to do by any means Was just saying it wasn't the worst thing known to man as the original person at the exchange had said Anyway, ill isign off. Dont want to fight, just thought i was offering some info re the blood and oil issue. Peace Brothers
This, thanks mate. I changed 2 things at the same time so im not sure which helped, last 4 injects, ive been injecting more laterally into the side of the thigh and not so much towards the top and i have changed my leg position, whereas before i was sitting and let the leg i was injecting into sit straight out from the chair now i keep it bent the same as the other leg and i haven't had the slightest of twitches.
Thanks mate, yea 250 a week is pushing it aye. I also find the quads the best, and i never really gave that palumbo advice much weight, id rather believe the medical evidence and test books over palumbo. BTW i sent you a pm.
I get my sus from the chemist, walk to my car lift my shorts leg up high and pin it in my leg right there and then. No issues with legs at all. How the fuck do people do glutes, I almost pass out from trying to reach around( no homo)
I used to get cysts in my legs from too much prop. High BA or something. Glutes are good... i do like shoulders and rotate if its a short ester cycle. i learnt the hard way hitting a glute / vein and the blood becomes a foundtain
How yous going new here and very interested in test had a shot done in Bali and felt awsome it was long ester 1
