Is a “micro cycle” of <200mg of Test-E an option for skinny guys.

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  1. FitBoii

    FitBoii New Member

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    I’m interested in finding out what others think of doing a “micro cycle” of anabolic steroids - For example, taking 50 - 100mg per week of a single compound like Test-E while training.

    I’m just throwing everything I can think of in here for you guys to pick apart with with me as i'm a pretty intuitive person who just likes to gather perspective and out of the box ideas first; to see if there are any loopholes or possibilities that can be taken advantage of with getting fit.

    The general rule of thumb for beginners I’ve seen
    • Make sure you have taken advantage of every opportunity you have to make significant initial gains for at least 2 years; before doing your first cycle.
      You would be mad to not crush it initially and get your natural muscle mass up before introducing any anabolics into your system.
    • To wait until you’re at least 21+ (Why screw with a hurricane of puberty enraged hormonal receptors even more!)
    • Have your diet on point - shovel carbs and protein down your throat 15 times a day so your body can heal the damage you’ve just put it thru in training.
    • Make sure you get your blood tests done to understand what your initial levels for testosterone are; to compare against your results mid and post cycle.
    However the standard results, precautions, side affects & risks of anabolic steroids are exactly that, standard, for the standard person; and there may be subjective situations or case by case examples where things could be tweaked for smaller & bigger guys etc.

    So what about those of us who are SCRAWNY motherfuckers with bitch ass twig arms and knitting needles for legs; who find it significantly more difficult do even lift a ten KG weight off the stand, who can’t find the stamina, endurance, strength or motivation to complete even the most minimal beginner training programs.

    For “Ectomorphs" & guys under 70Kg’s/150 pounds with a minimal to non existent body fat percentage.
    • would a smaller dose help with the initial introductory exposure to working out; in order to make gains possible in the first place.
    • Will the progress from follow up exercise and workouts become much more attainable; once you have the advantage of being stronger from the “minimal but still beneficial muscle growth” you’ve just acquired from micro-cycle workouts you previously completed.
    • Would it be advantageous to dose smaller over a longer period of time; rather than "blasting and cruising” sort of as a “Strength supplement" or "energy boost"
    • Is taking under 250mg per week going to mean your natural testosterone production will cease entirely?
    • Will you suddenly be left with less testosterone than if you hadn’t taken any at all? – Or will testosterone produced from the Test-E become additional to what your body makes, provided your testes are still the dominant producer of testosterone in your body?
    • Would your muscles, tendons, chemical receptors & overall fitness adapt more efficiently to growth and change in size;
      when testosterone & anabolic's are introduced progressively to your system over time in consistently larger cycles.
    • Would a small dose make initial workouts and physical demands from your body during training more bearable / possible for novice body builders.
    • What is the smallest dose you could take and still see benefits?
    • Is there a ratio per kilogram of body weight /MBI that you can use to determine/estimate your highest / minimum dosages.
    • Is there any chance of considerable muscle growth when not shocking the body with the standard (>300mg)pw flush of testosterone.
    • Are there any euphoric or strength benefits to be expected from doses of Test-E under 250 MG; to increase energy, boost motivation & improve physical strength slightly.
    • Is it possible to determine what percentage of your gains each month are expected to be purely extrinsic progress from the testosterone cycle; and what percentage of that muscle growth has simply been acquired “naturally” from working out?
    It seems the common problem scenario for the stereotyped “meat-heads” out there is with slamming a gram of 3 different compounds into their ass each week; hoping to hulk rage and morph into a 300 pound wall of man-meat overnight. So its easy to understand why there is an endless repetition of warnings and precautionary comments from people trying to prevent these guys from going too hard too fast.

    You will fuck yourself up and you will come crashing down hard if you expect your body to naturally maintain excessive gains obtained rapidly in a supernatural time frame.

    So, should we skinny dudes bust our ass for 2 years first to gain a measly 2 pounds of muscle before doing a first cycle?
    Would a small dose of Test-E help at all, or would it be safe to simply go all in and trial the standard 250-350 mg p/w dosage like usual while working out.

    I'm 26
    6"3'
    70Kgs / 150 pounds
    BMI - 17.6
    10.5% Body Fat

    Cheers Guys, Felix
     
  2. Eidolon

    Eidolon Bit Fatty

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    The problem with such a low dose is that it's hardly more than your natural test production, and will also shut you down. So you have to run PCT to recover, and will gain very little.

    I didn't read your whole post because it was too long, but 300-500mg pw of test e only is a good first cycle. Keeping it conservative is a good idea, so you seem to have your head on right.
     
  3. blindbodybuilder

    blindbodybuilder Well-Known Member

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    The main problem I have with what you're saying mate is that many advanced bodybuilders started off as skinny weaklings and built themselves up over time.

    I am certainly no mass monster but when I first started lifting I was 55kg at 178cm, to me saying that you're to skinny to work out naturally is just a cop out, eat heaps and work out the right way and you will put on muscle it's a simple as that.

    As the previous member has already told you even low dose testosterone will shut you down, when I was on trt I was on 250mg every 3 weeks and that certainly shut me down and at that sort of a dose you wouldn't see any gains in the time span of your average cycle you would have to stay on for an extended period of time ie trt to have any real benefit.

    My advice would be what you most likely don't want to hear, train naturally and take advantage of the gains you can and will make if you train right before considering aas.
     
  4. Coinflip

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    It’s refreshing to come across a post where someone is looking at a first cycle, had done some research and is looking at a “less is more” approach. But in this case, the dosages are to low IMO. 250mg a week is considered by many to be very low.. I wouldn’t go lower... but... your PCT must be spot on, and you need to have it all on hand BEFORE you start the cycle. Never risk gains over supply issues or lack of planning. My two cents...
     
  5. blindbodybuilder

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    @Coinflip, @idolon you blokes realize he is asking if this cycle will help him to start training, he is saying that he isn't able to even start training because he's apparently to skinny, the dude hasn't even tried to make gains naturally.
     
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    Ummm... missed that. Errr... ignore everything I said. My bad... Thanks @blindbodybuilder
     
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    Was easy to do it is a freaking long post, I just sit back and let my screenreader read it to me.
    He is basically saying he's to weak and skinny to train natural and imo that's just bullshit.
     
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  8. Coinflip

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    Agreed... and I think anyone who’s got more than a couple years under their belt would too... if you don’t build from a foundation, the house is unstable. Adaption of joints, ligaments, connective tissue... plus priming the body for growth. PEDs to early result in much less over time, inthat you’re using chems to get to your natural limit, and therefore not getting the big boost from initial cycles to move beyond natural limits.
     
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  9. Eidolon

    Eidolon Bit Fatty

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    Yar. I did mention his post was too long to read :D If you don't know how to eat and train, gear won't do shit.
     
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  10. chrismwpcs

    chrismwpcs Make it take it.

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    You need to have a solid commitment to your training and a good diet that is aimed at building mass. You can and will grow even if you are slim now. Train hard, eat well and rest well. You need a simple regime like Bench Press, Dead Lifts, Squats and Overhead Press. Until you get into the intermediate part of training and that will be many months down the track you will notice a big difference between when you started and where you will be then. Pinning Test just aint gunna do jack sheit if you are not committed to your training and diet. Wait until you hit your 30's and revisit imo.
     
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