Low Testosterone - First Cycle

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  1. rl212

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    Hi,

    I'm looking for a bit of help on what to do.

    I have really low testosterone (level 133) which has come up around the same level on 5 different blood tests over 4 months. I have seen an endocrinologist but did not get prescribed TRT as there was nothing showing to be wrong with my pituitary from an MRI scan.

    I'm feeling quite compromised having such low test and am thinking of doing either a cycle or small amount of testosterone constantly to get me back to normal levels.

    what are peoples thoughts on this? and what would you recommend I use and where from etc.

    Really appreciate any help I can get.
     
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  2. C**nt

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    Hey mate, whats the testosterone range your going off?
     
  3. rl212

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    Hey mate,

    normal range is 300-600. my free test was also low with a level of 4. normal range is 7-10 I think from memory.
     
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  4. C**nt

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    133 and the doc hasn't done anything, somethings not right here. Plus you've had 5 tests that all have a similar result. And you've seen an endo. Well if the doc doesn't sort this out, then the endo should. Did you mention trt to either of them?

    I've had tests done that had me just within range and i still got primoteston, andriol and other trt meds. Sounds like your doc may be not all there, so see another doc is my first and only suggestion. Take your results with you, thats all the proof you need bud. If what you say on here is 100% correct, then you'll get trt meds in no time at all i guarantee it.
     
  5. rl212

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    Hey mate,

    Thanks so much for your advice. The endo sent me for an MRI and because nothing was showing up wrong with my pituitary then the endo didn't think it was necessary to prescribe me trt. also the fact I'm only 26. she thought that it was messed from too much training (possibility) but I've reduced my training a lot for 6 months now and still the same levels. I'm Sydney based, where was your doctor and if you can personal message me their name that would be great. thanks
     
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  6. rl212

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    Hey mate,

    Check this article. Think it’s why the endo didn’t prescribe me trt. Should I just get it black market you think or is there a doctor that may still prescribe? Thanks again

    http://www.afr.com/lifestyle/health...therapy-for-most-men--for-now-20160829-gr3w6w
     
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  7. C**nt

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    No worries mate.

    Too much training would more than likely increase your testosterone levels. When we train, we stimulate/shock the immune system and the body compensates for this by producing more testosterone and growth hormone. This is why we get more growth from large compound exercises like squats and deads. The same is said when you have a cold shower, your testosterone increases due to the feedback loop from the adrenal glands that get over-stimulated from the cold temperature of the water. Your doctor doesn't know what she's talking about.

    That article is useless, i read it all and i don't agree with it at all. They are saying they have dropped the 8nmol limit down to 6nmol and if the person doesn't have pathological hypogonadism then they shouldn't be prescribed testosterone. Studies on cardio vascular and prostate side effects due to trt just aren't conclusive enough to warrant not prescribing trt to someone with low levels. In actual fact having low test levels itself can cause heart disease and so many other problems. Your safer with high test levels than you are with low test levels. Also the reason they say that trt prescribing has increased dramatically in the last 2 decades or so is simply because we are now more aware that this is a problem and men are taking that next step and they are getting trt, this is a good thing.
     
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    yes I totally agree but if this is the new law, how do I go about getting prescribed it? am I better off just getting it black market? or do you have any doctors that could help? thanks again mate
     
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    Hey mate, are you having any symptoms like depression, low libido, what are your results in the gym like?

    I know having low test can really suck I've been there myself, however 26 is very young to go on trt, remember it is most likely for the rest of your life and I don't know if I would want to be using ugl gear for life.

    Have you looke at trying to raise levels naturally, there is quite a bit you can try regarding diet/micro nutrients.

    I have found this site pretty helpful.

    https://www.anabolicmen.com/start-here/

    I am not saying stay away from trt or anything it's your choice just that you are still young and you should look at all your options.
     
  10. chrismwpcs

    chrismwpcs Make it take it. AGJ Supporter

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    Yea and what shits me is if a female wanting to go through gender change they bust their balls to make sure they get test. What a crock of sh!t.
     
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  11. rl212

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    Hi,

    Thanks for your response. I am familiar with this site and have tried restoring naturally for about 6 months now. literally tried everything, but I'm honestly so over the symptoms, I want to do something about it.

    What is your opinion on using estrogen blockers like amridex and clomid. I know bodybuilders use this post steroid cycle but would it work with naturally low test levels?
     
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    Fair enough mate.

    I haven't tried using an AI or a SERM as a stand alone method for raising test but that could be worth a try, I think there are studies out there where this has been tried with some success.
     
  13. C**nt

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    See another doctor dude, find one who sees things from your perspective and one who understands you and what your going through. No black market is not the better option. If you can aquire something legally, its always better for many reasons.
     
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    I wouldn't use arimidex, clomid on the other hand can definitely be used to get the HPTA firing... but that begs the question, why isn't your HPTA performing adequately? Have they investigated other secondary causes.

    also confused as to why you tests are done using the american units not the australian ones... If you have done a conversion and your levels fall above the 6nmol range, you can say to the endo/GP that you don't want the symptoms and want something to be done about it and are happy to pay for a private script. (the guidelines are just for getting PBS subsidization)

    our of curiosity have you had the following tested?
    LH
    FSH
    Prolactin
    Estradiol
    Progesterone
    TSH/T4
    Vitamin D

    And are you taking any other medication?
     
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    I agree here also, something is not right. See another Dr, one that knows about the male endo system/TRT/anti-aging, whatever as it seems the one you are using doesn't know to much.
     

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